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Ambinder: Clinton will forward name for nomination

by conspiracy, Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 10:34:03 AM EST

Fine. Fair enough. I saw the pros and cons of both sides of the argument but in the end I think it makes little difference either way in the big scheme of things. But Clinton supporters had better not get pissy if Hillary gets fewer delegates in the official tally than she actually earned.

Oh, and to kill another fallacy, the Clinton camp specifically stated they did not want the keynote address.

In fact, I wouldn't be surprised in the least for this scenario to take place:

"It is possible that Sen. Clinton, having had her name submitted, would use the occasion to release her delegates to Obama; depending on how the roll call is staged, Clinton's released delegates could put Obama over the top."

http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/arch ives/2008/08/a_little_bit_more_expositio n.php

Tags: Clinton, Obama, roll call, Democratic convention (all tags)

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Now .... (none / 0)

Can we move on , please!

Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving that there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the proof.

by jsfox on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 10:37:46 AM EST

Last I heard (none / 0)

she would have to sign some paper to have her name submitted. The delegates can not do that and she has said repeatedly that she will not do that.

Hillary Clinton supports Barack Obama and is working to get him elected as the next President of the United States.

Washington Woman

Progressive Blue

by kevin22262 on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 10:38:20 AM EST

Re: Last I heard... FYI (none / 0)

from Politico's Ben Smith:

A Clinton aide confirms Marc Ambinder's report that Hillary's name will be placed into nomination at the convention, giving her a larger procedural and symbolic role during the event, and offering a look backward at her near-miss primary.

Despite the occasional tensions both at the tops of the campaigns and among their supporters, the actual convention planning appears to be coming off without major controversies.

Marc notes that the process could be used to give Clinton a public, symbolic moment to turn her delegates over to Obama.

Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving that there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the proof.

by jsfox on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 10:45:42 AM EST
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IF (none / 0)

this is true.

Washington Woman

Progressive Blue

by kevin22262 on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 10:50:18 AM EST
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Re: IF (none / 0)

Not commenting on veracity only adding it seems that others are picking up on it and verifying. If true I would assume there would be a press release or actual statement out soon.

Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving that there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the proof.

by jsfox on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 10:53:22 AM EST
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Re: IF (none / 0)

The NYT has now picked it up.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/ 08/14/clintons-name-will-be-put-in-nomin ation/

Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving that there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the proof.

by jsfox on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 11:18:09 AM EST
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Are you stupid? She could release? She has no (none / 0)

rights to turnover! Go read the rules.

You may not agree with What I say but don't forget I am a Democrat

by indydem99 on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 11:17:40 AM EST
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Re: Are you stupid? She could release? She has no (none / 0)

UM, she has every right to. She could get up and say thank you after the first roll call , but I would like you all to support Obama. No the delegates don't have to follow through on this request, but yes she can ask.

And since you brought up the rules show me the one that says she cannot do this.

Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving that there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the proof.

by jsfox on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 12:23:33 PM EST
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Re: Are you stupid? She could release? (none / 0)

What has also been hashed out is that at some point during the convention, Clinton will release her delegates officialy to Obama and that she will make it very clear that she is voting for Obama, the source said.

by Glaurung on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 12:40:54 PM EST
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fool (2.00 / 2)

"Clinton supporters better not get pissy".

Your wording is both childish and unwise. Clinton supporters will do whatever they like. Clinton's name is being put into nomination for one reason and one reason only- she has the power and political standing to demand it. Period.
I would say that Obama supporters had better not get pissy about the fact that Obama needs the Clintons. Depending on how things play out over the next few months- time will tell whether or not he used their support wisely.

by easyE on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 10:39:40 AM EST

Childish and unwise? (none / 0)

Nope. I agree however that most extreme will do whatever they like and that truly will be childish and unwise.

by conspiracy on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 10:48:30 AM EST
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Re: Childish and unwise? (2.00 / 1)

Childish or not your statement was unwise.

How many votes are you happy losing Obama so that you can have the satisfaction of making statements like that?

1?
2?

How many votes is your personal satisfaction worth?

How many Obama "supporters" like you would it take to throw the election?

Would it be worth it to feel good in defeat?

by dtaylor2 on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 10:57:04 AM EST
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Talk about the pot and the kettle (2.00 / 1)

by conspiracy on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 11:02:08 AM EST
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Re: Childish and unwise? (2.00 / 0)

Honestly, I cannot even imagine having my vote swayed either way because of a nasty comment some random supporter with no ties to a campaign made on a blog. Why allow a personal snit after a tiff with an anonymous blogger to indirectly control my vote, one of the most personal and powerful tools an American has? We each have the right to vote as we will and the responsibility to make a reasoned choice.

by whognu on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 11:18:22 AM EST
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Re: Childish and unwise? (none / 0)

How many votes is your personal satisfaction worth?

You have a lot of gall asking that. Worry about the beam in your eye.

by Neef on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 12:49:56 PM EST
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Also (2.00 / 1)

She can verbally "release" her delegates but that really does nothing. They can always vote for whoever they want.

Washington Woman

Progressive Blue

by kevin22262 on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 10:39:48 AM EST

Re: Also (none / 0)

My sense is most would follow her lead. Of course there will probably be a few that won't.

Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving that there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the proof.

by jsfox on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 10:55:04 AM EST
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Re: Also (none / 0)

Those who hope to have a future in Democratic politics will vote for Obama.

by Glaurung on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 12:47:58 PM EST
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Re: Ambinder: Clinton will forward name for nomina (1.50 / 2)

Regardless of whether she wants to use it as an opportunity to hand over her delegates, what is clear is that Hillary Clinton is always about Hillary Clinton.

A prime time speaking role isn't enough for her. She wants to be the one to symbolically hand over the nomination (which she already did by dropping out and endorsing Obama).

At this point I just don't care anymore about pissing of Hillary and her former/ current supporters: GET OVER IT.

by BlueGAinDC on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 10:42:41 AM EST

In the words of Captain James Hook... (2.00 / 2)

...The above comment is bad form.

by andrewalker08 on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 10:46:04 AM EST
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This has to be (2.00 / 2)

one of the oddest comments on this thread.

For one, Hillary, since endorsing Obama, has done A LOT to push for Party unity.

Your hillary hatred does nothing but make you sound like a blubbering idiot.

You have no idea how things are being coordinated, or what is going to happen at the convention.

Just shut up and deal. You're the one that seems like he needs to get over it.

vote blue in 2008

by sepulvedaj3 on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 10:47:40 AM EST
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Re: This has to be (none / 0)

I gladly second that...

Toot, thank you for raising such a terrific person...You done good and we will have you in our hearts.

by hootie4170 on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 10:49:39 AM EST
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haha thanks (1.00 / 0)

lol you would have to be a fucking idiot, a troll, or live under a rock, if you havent noticed that everything is being coordinated by the campaigns as to how to use Hillary to full effect.

vote blue in 2008

by sepulvedaj3 on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 10:58:59 AM EST
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Re: haha thanks (2.00 / 2)

so you are all three then...

by zerosumgame on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 11:19:38 AM EST
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Re: haha thanks (none / 0)

doh sorry, that reply was meant to go to the poster who started off with that stupid comment.

by zerosumgame on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 11:20:43 AM EST
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haha (none / 0)

vote blue in 2008

by sepulvedaj3 on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 11:27:20 AM EST
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Re: This has to be (none / 0)

I didn't say Hillary hasn't done a lot to push for party unity. I don't think she has, but that's a different conversation. I think you read a whole lot more into my comment than I wrote.

Obviously, I don't know what the deal is behind the scenes. But what I do know is there are quite a few people who wanted this to go to a vote at the convention and wanted her to stay in it until then.

I personally do not think there is a reason we need to have Hillary symbolically hand over the nomination to Obama. Obama won already, he made the jump to presumptive Dem nominee, and any more primary symbolism is just meant to put Clinton back in the spotlight for a bit. I'm fine with her having a primetime speaking role. But this whole symbolic roll call vote is nonsense.

Remember? Clinton wanted a "catharsis" for her supporters. I think that came a long time ago.

And I don't understand what I need to get over. Obama won. I don't think the convention needs to be about Hillary Clinton.

by BlueGAinDC on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 10:58:59 AM EST
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again, (none / 0)

do you honestly think the Obama campaign and Hillary's camp arent coordinating this together? Every time Hillary has campaigned for Obama it has been coordinated. When Hillary endorsed Obama it was coordinated. Whenever they are on the road together it is coordinated.

Hillary putting name in the nomination? WILL BE COORDINATED as well.

vote blue in 2008

by sepulvedaj3 on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 11:00:42 AM EST
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Re: again, (none / 0)

Yes, despite being a blubbering idiot troll living under a rock, I do in fact know that all of this is being coordinated by both campaigns.

But that doesn't mean Clinton didn't ask for it. Obama's team is fine with it. After all, in the long run its not a big deal.

But no matter who coordinated it, I still think its just another chance for Clinton to put herself in the spotlight.

If the roles were reversed, do you think Obama would have asked ti do the same? Do you think Clinton's team would allow it? I think not.

If Hillary were the nominee, I don't believe she'd want someone else at the convention being the one to give her the nomination.

by BlueGAinDC on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 11:07:49 AM EST
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well to each their own (2.00 / 1)

but again, you're just spouting off without knowing anything that is going on.

Why wouldnt she put her name up? Everyone does it! Is it because she is Hillary that you dont think she should go up to claim her delegates?

This is absolutely ridiculous. She wont be handing him the nomination, he has the delegates already. Nothing surprising is going to happen. They will call out the delegates, she wont have enough, he will, then they would do something to show the party is behind him, and the massive chunk of the party that wasnt behind Obama during the primaries was behind Hillary. Hillary will then be used to symbolically move those people to Obama, even if they already are backing Obama.

This has nothing to do with Hillary herself. Just let go of that Clinton hate, get over it ;)

vote blue in 2008

by sepulvedaj3 on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 11:18:36 AM EST
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Re: well to each their own (none / 0)

Do you not agree that this is some sort of symbolic gesture where Hillary hands over her delegates to unite his part of the party with hers?

My personal opinion is that is not what the convention should showcase. I don't think the rift should be brought back up only to be symbolically destroyed. I think we should just go into the convention already united.

by BlueGAinDC on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 12:09:53 PM EST
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i agree its symbolic (none / 0)

but i dont agree that its all about hillary as you make it out to seem in your initial posts.

most of the people are already united. But Most sometimes isnt good enough. As many people that can be brought over and finally accept Obama as possible is what is needed. If Hillary can help with that, then she should and must as a member of the Democratic party.

If it didnt matter, or if Obama didnt feel it was necessary, it wouldnt be happening at the convention. But obviously they are reading something in their tea leaves which suggests that it should happen.

Furthermore, while Obama can probably control the Democratic Party, he cannot control the MSM and the MSM seems to be doing everything in their power to make this story last. If this puts the lid on that, then so be it.

vote blue in 2008

by sepulvedaj3 on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 01:45:50 PM EST
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You better find a cave to hide next 4 years! (2.00 / 1)

You may not agree with What I say but don't forget I am a Democrat

by indydem99 on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 11:15:07 AM EST
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Re: You better find a cave to hide next 4 years! (none / 0)

??????????????

Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving that there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the proof.

by jsfox on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 11:32:52 AM EST
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Re: Ambinder: Clinton will forward name for nomina (none / 0)

Best Convention EVER, and there'll be the promise of drama which will attract the pinheads who otherwise would be watching reruns of some shit sitcom or other - and they might just get the message.

SWEET!

Pleeze pump up the Obama v. Clinton slugfest, as this will help get the best ratings of any Convention in the history of Television.

"But not me personally were those cheers for"

by QTG on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 10:51:13 AM EST

Re: Ambinder: Clinton will forward name for nomina (1.00 / 2)

One can hope.

Problem is that Obama needs to play it right and I just don't have the confidence that he will...

Should the VP end up with initials other than HRC this could get real ugly real fast.

by dtaylor2 on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 11:00:41 AM EST
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Re: Ambinder: Clinton will forward name for nomina (none / 0)

Why is it going to get ugly when Obama chooses someone else to be VP?

by BlueGAinDC on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 11:10:00 AM EST
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Re: Ambinder: Clinton will forward name for nomina (2.00 / 0)

dtaylor has been beating this drum for months, it's nothing new.

by rfahey22 on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 11:14:53 AM EST
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Re: Ugly? (2.00 / 0)

It won't be ugly (there will be a small and pathetic group which will try to be ugly, though). It will be BEAUTIFUL, and many more Republicans will decide to opt out of their own pathetic convention.

The FAILURE of the Puma movement catch hold in the big way that a scant few had originally hoped is prelude to what their ultimate role in this election will be. zip.

"But not me personally were those cheers for"

by QTG on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 11:22:44 AM EST
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My recollection is that you agreed with him (none / 0)

that Obama is in a catch-22, damned if you, damned if you don't situation with respect to HRC?

by Blazers Edge on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 11:24:50 AM EST
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Re: My recollection is that you agreed with him (none / 0)

Dtaylor is predicting some sort of civil war to erupt. I think that the number of people outraged will be far, far smaller. We're not in June any more.

by rfahey22 on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 11:28:54 AM EST
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Concern noted, balled up (1.00 / 0)

and shitcanned, as usual. Take a break from the old computer, son, you need it.

by ReillyDiefenbach on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 12:38:02 PM EST
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Re: Concern noted, balled up (none / 0)

That was for DT, Glaurung, not you.

by ReillyDiefenbach on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 01:12:03 PM EST
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Explain, please (none / 0)

The VP is going to be announced before the convention so not sure how it gets ugly at the convention. So care to explain.

Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving that there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the proof.

by jsfox on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 01:20:58 PM EST
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