endorsement

     I respectfully dissent from Ms Rosen's opinion. I am disappointed by Hilary's loss but angered by Obama campaign's attempts to poke us in the eye with a stick even at the end.
  There was no reason for the shameful handling of the Michigan issue.  
  Thee was nothing magical about Tuesday- in other word no auguries had been drawn that Obama needed to crown himself at that particular time. Hillary and her supporters needed  some space and respect. The same speech could have been given  by Obama today or tomorrow or even a week later.  
   At least his supporters should have enough confidence to believe that a few days in June would not affect an election in November. It would have been more important to let Hillary have her day and then take the stage instead of trying to muscle her off.
  Faced with this disrespect there was no reason for Hillary to endorse yesterday.
  I dont think Ms. Rosen should distort Hillary's speech. At no point did Hillary suggest that she wants a bargain for herself on the back of her voters. Some of her supporters went through social hell and do not expect her to abandon us and our agenda.



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Re: endorsement (2.00 / 5)

"The same speech could have been given  by Obama today or tomorrow or even a week later."

And you'd still have felt insulted then, whatever day they chose.

Sorry, nothing at all would satisfy you. Obama went over the magic number on June 3. That was the day to celebrate. That you would feel offended by such a celebration speaks badly of you, not of the Obama campaign.


by Aris Katsaris on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 06:13:43 PM EST

Re: endorsement (2.00 / 3)

No one poked you in the eye.  Obama had the votes for a 50-50 split on MI, which would have made more sense based on the rules.  He tried to offer a compromise, an olive branch.  You may consider it insufficient, but please recognize the effort.  As far as last night, she poked Obama in the eye, and failed to serve the interests of the party and its agenda.  The disrespect went the other direction.  Investment in victimhood does not lead to empowerment and political progress, but can becoem pathological.  It's not fair that your candidate did not win.  Because it never feels fair to lose. I respect that.  But, for all of our sake's, please pay attention to the larger picture here.


The future is unwritten
by Strummerson on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 06:20:14 PM EST

Re: endorsement (2.00 / 3)

You knew yesterday was coming.  When a winner crosses the finish line, his fans cheer and celebrate.

Could you imagine an Indy 500 with the victory celebrations scheduled for the week after the race?  Come on.


by neonplaque on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 06:20:39 PM EST

Re: endorsement (2.00 / 1)

It wasn't "disrespect" for him to give that speech - it was the end of the campaign.

WHY WHY WHY is it always about Hillary and her supporters??? I am sick and tired of every damned time he so much as speaks it gets labeled as "disrespect" That is bullsit. It is a cognitve frame that you and the rest of her supporters have created and I am tired of it but you can live there if you want. Don't you realize what it sounds like to always be harping on about a black man being disrespectful? Do you really want to do that?

Maybe the Obama supporters who have worked our butts off and campaigned and sat in caucuses and county conventions and given time and money... Maybe WE deserved to hear that great speech from Senator Obama. Maybe WE deserve to have a chance to break out the champagne the day that he crossed the finish line. Maybe WE deserved a day to celebrate before we move on to take out McCain's campaign.

Sorry, it isn't always about the Clinton supporters and their hurt feelings.

So yesterday, maybe we deserved a chance to celebrate and to hear his speech. That speech where he praised your candidate, which you are somehow calling disrespect. Funny kind of disrespect, that.

Face it - you are upset that he won. I understand. But we are excited and have every right to be. We are excited to have a candidate whom we think was great for this country.

And he gave a great speech. A party unifying speech.

Get on board. We are ready for you to join us if you would like. But we are more ready to win in November.

But for once please realize that it isn't ALWAYS about the Clinton campaign. Maybe it might just be about the start of a really exciting and transformative campaign for president. Which you are free to join if you would like.


by denniswine on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 06:22:09 PM EST

Space and respect? (2.00 / 2)

Obama won. He won last night. He is the party's nominee. He had the right to claim that prize as it is his fairly won.

Hillary had an obligation to acknowledge the party's choice of Obama as the nominee. She did not.

The commander and chief doesn't need "space and respect" to acknowledge the truth and take appropriate actions.


We shall overcome. Yes we can.
by Sam Wise Gingy on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 06:22:41 PM EST

Is this snark? (none / 0)

seriously,

Is this snark?


"McSame: He's Constipated and Ready to GO!
by Al Rodgers on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 06:27:05 PM EST

Re: endorsement (2.00 / 1)

When has a Democratic nominee that has earned enough delegates for the nomination never given a victory speech.  I empathize with Clinton supporters, it was a long, hard, competitive race...And they will have to come to grips with it in their own way.

However, it is a disservice to Obama supporters, such as myself, who has given money and time (canvassed in 3 states), to say we shouldn't celebrate the moment of the first AA Democratic nominee...It cuts both ways.


Obama supporter who is damn glad Hillary Clinton is a Democrat!!
by hootie4170 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 06:31:43 PM EST

Exactly (2.00 / 1)

I'm not going to hide in a closet feeling 'bad' because we finally reached the promised land after months -- more than a year, for some folks -- of hard work.

I've got no ill will towards Clinton, but this idea that it was unseemly for Obama and the rest of us to celebrate this win is ridiculous.


by zonk on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 06:40:49 PM EST
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Re: endorsement (2.00 / 1)

I don't understand a lot of Clinton supporters.  To them, EVERYTHING is about Her or Them.  Not about Obama.

Nobody has muscled Clinton out of anything.  She lost.  That's it.  It would have been gracious of her to admit it.  She couldn't bring herself to do so.  We are reacting accordingly to her lack of grace.  


by Lawyerish on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 06:38:23 PM EST

With all due respect (2.00 / 1)

Many of us on the Obama side of the divide have worked awfully hard - REALLY hard.

Don't forget - we were longshots last year.  It took an absolute TON of blood and sweat to win this nomination.

I'm not looking to poke anyone in the eye... but you know, shouldn't we have the right to celebrate this historic win?  I have no problem with giving Clinton time or space - nor do I have problem giving the same for her supporters...

I just wish we were given a bit of respect, too -- we shouldn't be expected to quietly celebrate somewhere backstage until Senator Clinton decides that she's ready to yield the stage.


by zonk on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 06:38:53 PM EST

no one poked you in the eye with a stick (none / 0)

Sen. Obama claimed victory, and his speech was full of praise for Sen. Clinton.  No one was poked in the eye with a stick.

There was plenty magical about Tuesday: it's the day that Obama clinched the nomination, which means that it was the day that Obama needed to give his victory speech.

Losing is hard.  As a huge Dean supporter in 2003-2004, and an Edwards supporter early this year, I know how it feels.  But you need to stop interpreting things as attacks that are not attacks.

Once you calm down, please think about all of the things that attract you about Hillary Clinton.  Then, on one point after another, consider whether Barack Obama or John McCain would best exemplify that virtue.  I'm sure that you'll find that, on the overwhelming majority of issues, Obama and Clinton are close, and McCain is against everything Hillary Clinton stands for.

So after you're over your period of mourning, please join the rest of us, who may have preferred some other candidate before but who now realize that the Democrats need to take back the executive branch.  Yes, the candidate who won is imperfect.  But he's vastly better than Bush or McCain.


by Joe Buck on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:07:52 PM EST


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