Give The People What They Want: The Dream Ticket

One thing is obvious from tonight's victories for Hillary.  And no, it's not about momentum or being the come back kid.  

And it's not about who has more delegates or superdelegates or whether to count Michigan and Florida.

This is about a clear message from the voters: we want to have our cake and eat it too.

We want Hillary and Obama.

I know what you will say.  I've seen the diaries and comments.  People mourning for their country.  People joining the "Hillary haters" club.  People are sad and depressed and angry at the thought that Hillary is not going away.

But what the polls continue to show is that Democrats like both candidates and are having a hard time choosing.  

Put aside the surrogates.  Put aside the endorsements.  Put aside the television ads, the debates, the speeches.  

And definitely put aside the blogs.

And look at the votes.  The democratic party likes its two candidates.  And for all the vitriol that is thrown at the Clinton camp (quite a lot on this site, in fact), there are millions of people in this country who have voted for her, donated money to her, and worked as hard as Obama supporters because they believe in her as much as Obama supporters believe in him.

Despite the threats in the blogosphere, most Democrats say they will vote for either candidate.  And they'll do it happily.  

And for all the claims of damage that Clinton has done to the party, look at the Democratic party for just a minute.  Look at the people who are turning out to vote in the Democratic races -- and how those numbers overwhelm the Republican turn out.  In every state, in every county in this country, people are turning out -- for Obama and for Hillary.

Democrats want them both.

The answer is clear.  It has been for a while, but the race has turned ugly -- yes, on both sides -- and the answer has seemed increasingly less possible.

But really, hasn't it always been the answer?

They both need to be on the ticket.  

Hillary and Obama complement each other in way few tickets ever have.  Hillary's supporters admire her experience, her knowledge, her pragmatism.  Obama supporters admire his inspiration, his dreams, his ability to make people believe in their dreams.

We need them both.

The math of the race has been analyzed again and again and again.  Arguments can be made for both sides.  The results of Michigan and Florida assist Hillary, yes, but Obama is in the unfortunate position and having to deny them their voice by arguing against counting their votes.

There are super delegates who want to support the candidate who won in their district or state.  But no one thinks John Kerry and Edward Kennedy should have to suddenly renounce their support of Obama because their state when overwhelmingly to Clinton.

We should have them both.

There has been discussion of party elders having private conversations.  Yesterday, people were hoping the party elders would convince Hillary to drop out of the race for the good of the party.  

But that hardly seems fair to the voters of Texas and Ohio and Rhode Island, who sent the message to the country and the party that they don't want her kicked out tomorrow.

Maybe the party elders need to have a different kind of conversation with our candidates.

Maybe the party elders need to remind our candidates that it was only a few debates ago (although, in this campaign, it seems a lifetime ago), that someone suggested that Democrats look at Hillary and Obama on a stage together and think "That's our dream ticket."

And you know, it really is.  

Maybe we don't have to choose.  Maybe we don't have to decide if racism or sexism is a worse.  Maybe we don't have to break only one glass ceiling at a time.  Maybe we don't have to throw away the skills of one candidate for another.

Maybe we can take on McCain from all sides.  From a position of opposing the war, and a position of what to do about it now.  Maybe we can challenge the country to say "Yes we can" and "Yes she will."  

Maybe this is a chance to have a ticket that stands for wisdom and for change, for hope and experience, for a woman and a black man.

Maybe, just maybe, this is a moment for all of us.



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I cross-posted this at DKos, but you can imagine what most of them had to say.


by Angry Mouse on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 02:26:33 AM EST

Re: Give The People What They Want: The Dream Tick (2.00 / 1)

Who would be at the top ?

If it is Clinton / Obama then I am all for it.


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 02:31:10 AM EST

That would make the most sense, I think. (2.00 / 1)

Her experience, his youth and vigor.  He gets experience in 8 years as VP, and when he's ready (I mean, really ready) to run for president, his lack of experience will no longer be an issue.


by Angry Mouse on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 02:33:48 AM EST
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Re: Give The People What They Want: The Dream Tick (none / 0)

No way is Clinton on top. She cannot win the nomination.

At absolute best, she clsed the delegate gap by 5 or 6 last night. The math does not work for her.

It will be Obama/Clinton.


Bill Foster would agree, Barack Obama has coat tails.
by Walt Starr on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 06:25:09 AM EST
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Re: Give The People What They Want: The Dream Tick (none / 0)

As Jermone put it, whoever is talking delegates lost last night.


I proudly support Barack Obama for President!
by Zeitgeist9000 on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 07:01:48 AM EST
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Re: Give The People What They Want: The Dream Tick (none / 0)

Obama lost the popular vote in three states. No way around that fact.

Clinton cannot make up the difference in delegates mathematically. No way around that fact, either.


Bill Foster would agree, Barack Obama has coat tails.
by Walt Starr on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 07:40:35 AM EST
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Re: Give The People What They Want: (none / 0)

This idea works wonderfully well until we start arguing about who is at the top of the ticket, then it is back to square 1.

I can't really imagine too many supporters of either candidate willing to have their candidate take the VP spot..

Wish it were this simple


by Why Not on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 02:51:32 AM EST

Re: Obama would lucky to get VP (none / 0)

Funny enough that you talk about Rezko. Rezko is nothing compared to what the Clintons have been through and you know it.


by marcotom on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 05:14:08 AM EST
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Re: Obama would lucky to get VP (none / 0)

"Rezko is nothing compared to what the Clintons have been through and you know it"

We don't know that for sure yet, the trial could have legs. No one has ever explained to me sufficiently why Rezko's $37K per year wife bought an adjacent strip of property for $675,000 that she has never set foot on (it can only be accessed through Obama's property) with money from an Iraqi billionaire, that Obama cuts the grass on and otherwise enjoys. What did Obama ever do for Rezko that warranted such a nice arrangement? Was it a "thank you" for something, a development approval, or what? No one understands why this came to be.

And we don't know what else is going to pop up in his background. I notice the Chicago press doesn't like him, and even old friends are turning him in to the press for old connections, like the old friend who IDed him visiting with Bernardine Dohrn  and William Ayers, the 1980s Weather Underground bombers.  

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/020 8/8630.html

I assume that no one is universally liked throughout their lives, and people like Obama who are described by those around him as "extremely ambitious" may excite somewhat more ambivalence than the average person, but it does seem like he has made a number of enemies who may have reason to bring up unappealing events from his past. He needs to be thoroughly vetted before being chosen as VP.


by 07rescue on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 06:50:28 AM EST
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There is no argument about the top (none / 0)

Obama will win this no matter what. The math simply does not work for Clinton.

IT will be Obama/Clinton.


Bill Foster would agree, Barack Obama has coat tails.
by Walt Starr on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 06:23:41 AM EST
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Re: There is no argument about the top (none / 0)

I don`t want him any place near the white house. he can stand at the washington monument and shuck and jive for all I care. We need a VP who can travel the world and tamp down the damage done by Bush,not the old okie doke.


Wisdom Is The Reward For Listening Over A Lifetime
by gunner on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 08:44:48 AM EST
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Re: There is no argument about the top (2.00 / 1)

wow, "shuck and jive" and "okie doke" ~

good morning racism!  


by pholkhero on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 09:54:07 AM EST
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Re: Would have and did agree (none / 0)

I had written abouut this paring sometime ago, however now I am disliking him more and more, and I keep other young voters saying the very same thing. "I don't know, there's just something about him that's not sitting well with me..."

 He really isn't any different than Bush and I think as time goes on some of the rest of you might see that very same thing.

 I'm thinking now: Hillary & John (Edwards)

 Barack is being more and more tainted with each passing day.

 namaste
     ks


by artsyker on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 04:20:24 AM EST

Re: Would have and did agree (none / 0)

How is he tainted and how is he like Bush? That he is like Bush is probably the most stupid thing I ever heard and I haven't seen anybody supporting it with actual facts yet - but that does not seem to be the strength of some of Hillary's supporters anyways.


by marcotom on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 05:15:25 AM EST
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Re: Would have and did agree (none / 0)

You're going to like him less and he takes the more negative road to tamping down Clinton.  This is the way of negative campaigning, and at this point it seems inevitable.  I am hopding out some small reserved hopes that we still have a viable candidate at the end of this process.  This doesn't look good for the Democratic party.

Everyone wanted to know how we were going to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.. I think we have just seen it.


by Why Not on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 07:17:41 PM EST
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That's is most likely the deal that will be forced (none / 0)

Since it's still tight, but mathematically Obama will win, you are going to see a deal made.

Obama has yet to release his fund raising numbers from February. I expect that to come out today and to exceed $60,000,000 (probably closer to $70mil). That will shore up his claims. Then, Super Delegates will start coming out.

On Friday, all of the caucus races from Texas will come in and the next day is Wyoming. I expect Obama to do pretty well in Wyoming. Then it's on to Mississippi next Tuesday where Obama should win again.

By the 15th, Dean, Gore, and Pelosi will have let both campaigns know, it has to be an Obama/Clinton ticket. There will really be very little negotiation to do. Both campaigns can do the math and both campaigns know what McCain having full access to the machine of the RNC means.

We will have not only a nominee, but a ticket by March 15. The beauty is,every negative thing Clinton has pushed will be nullified with that act.


Bill Foster would agree, Barack Obama has coat tails.
by Walt Starr on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 06:22:35 AM EST

Re: Give The People What They Want: The Dream Tick (none / 0)

The two camps hate each other enough that "the dream ticket" is the only viable option.  Clinton can't win without Obama's ability to bring new people into the process, and Obama can't win without the Clintonistas.

It's sort of funny that the moment talk of the dream ticket comes up, an idea meant to promote vitally-important unity, squabbling erupts over who's on top.


"Behold, I send you out as sheep amidst the wolves! Therefore, be as wise as a serpent, And as harmless as a dove."
by Setrak on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 06:39:51 AM EST

the central premise (none / 0)

behind much of obamas support is that clinton is thought to be unelectable. if she somehow is the nominee, I doubt the obama camp is going to want to attach itself to a losing campaign.

if I had to guess, I think this race is going to get very ugly. the obama camp I think realizes that they've been way t timid in their responses to clinton attacks. im sure the media is celebrating.


by highgrade on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 06:53:02 AM EST

Re: Give The People What They Want: The Dream Tick (none / 0)

"It's sort of funny that the moment talk of the dream ticket comes up, an idea meant to promote vitally-important unity, squabbling erupts over who's on top."

Like "who's on top" isn't vitally important??? There is no chance of an Obama/Clinton ticket, she would be far better off becoming Senate majority leader. Besides, with Obama's message of "change" and "turning the page" it would completely nullify everything he has run on to ask HRC to be his VP. It simply looks extremely inappropriate, as well, no one would find it comfortable. She is so much more prepared and qualified than he is, as well as being 13 years older, it would look like a parent being subservient to a child.

Only Clinton/Obama works.


by 07rescue on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 07:03:36 AM EST

Re: Give The People What They Want: The Dream Tick (none / 0)

Clinton/Obama cannot happen mathematically. Obama would be better off sticking to his guns than backing out nnow. He's the clear leader in delegates and will remain the clear leader in delegates.


Bill Foster would agree, Barack Obama has coat tails.
by Walt Starr on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 07:42:36 AM EST
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Re: it isn't a dream ticket. it's a losing ticket (none / 0)

You expect us to believe you were an Obama supporter at one time?  Ah, that seems unlikely my friend given some of your ridiculous statements here.  Obama is going to turn blacks against HRC?  "He is ofChicago smalltown hood politic mentality[?]"  Wow, great stuff in a diary talking about unity.  


by HSTruman on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 09:44:26 AM EST

Re: Give The People What They Want: The Dream Tick (none / 0)

The main concern I have with an Obama/Clinton ticket is that I'm not sure I could handle the daily diaries claiming she is plotting to have him killed.  Other than that, I am all about the unity ticket.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 09:53:59 AM EST


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